Revamped Air India's flying returns

[Ramakgmc]

Dear TF friends,
The AI flying returns revamp is done.
A few major changes!
1. Moving from miles-based points accrual to spend-based points.
2. Change of tier names - Maharaja Gold to Platinum, Basic to Red, and Silver/Gold remain.
3. Somewhat better redemption rates than earlier (Del to Tir was 13.5K, now 12K)
Most of the non-point benefits remain the same.
Mostly, it looks like the Vistara program than the FR of AI
It is always beneficial to have a spend-based program rather than a miles program. 1. It increases with increasing cost of the ticket proportionally. 2. Way more beneficial in domestic short-haul sectors. 3. redemption rates are also more matching.

A comparison of tier qualification AI Vs. Vistara
Air India
Silver - 15,000 points - 2,50,000 Rs per year
Gold - 30,000 points - 5,00,000 Rs per year
Platinum - 45,000 points - 7,50,000 Rs per year.
Vistara (point accrual varies as per which tier you are in)
Silver - 15,000 points - 1,36,364 - 1,87,500 Rs per year (base to Platinum)
Gold - 25,000 points - 2,27,273 - 3,12,500 Rs per year
Platinum - 35,000 points - 3,18,182 - 4,37,500 Rs per year.

Now the questions are:
1. How the merger with Vistara CV points would pan out?
2. How the miles accrued with Star Alliance partners would compare? most are based on miles traveled.
Opinion of frequent flyers/Vistara or AI cobranded card holders!!!

 

[Ramakgmc]

A comparison of tier point accrual - AI Vs. Vistara
AI tier points accrued do not change with the current tier, unlike the Vistara program.
Air India

Vistara

 

[Rags]

So for miles transfer and redemption, which one is better Vistara or AI?

 

[Ramakgmc]

So for miles transfer and redemption, which one is better Vistara or AI?

Vistara was better earlier. But now it seems both are equalized.
Vistara
Del - Chennai 7,500 CV points
Del - Mumbai 5,000 CV points

AI
Del - Chennai 5,000 FR points
Del - Mumbai 7,500 FR points

 

[sahilgulati5]

Vistara was better earlier. But now it seems both are equalized.
Vistara
Del - Chennai 7,500 CV points
Del - Mumbai 5,000 CV points

AI
Del - Chennai 5,000 FR points
Del - Mumbai 7,500 FR points

is it correct?

 

[Rags]

Vistara was better earlier. But now it seems both are equalized.
Vistara
Del - Chennai 7,500 CV points
Del - Mumbai 5,000 CV points

AI
Del - Chennai 5,000 FR points
Del - Mumbai 7,500 FR points

Seems too good to be true

 

[sleepysurya]

A

Del - Chennai 7,500 CV points
Del - Mumbai 5,000 CV points

AI
Del - Chennai 5,000 FR points
Del - Mumbai 7,500 FR points

I read somewhere that for DEL-BOM 5000 is only applicable when booking 3 months in advance. After that upto 1 week it's 7500. After 1 week, it's somewhere around 9000.

 

[Zacobite]

Dear TF friends,
The AI flying returns revamp is done.
A few major changes!
1. Moving from miles-based points accrual to spend-based points.
2. Change of tier names - Maharaja Gold to Platinum, Basic to Red, and Silver/Gold remain.
3. Somewhat better redemption rates than earlier (Del to Tir was 13.5K, now 12K)
Most of the non-point benefits remain the same.
Mostly, it looks like the Vistara program than the FR of AI
It is always beneficial to have a spend-based program rather than a miles program. 1. It increases with increasing cost of the ticket proportionally. 2. Way more beneficial in domestic short-haul sectors. 3. redemption rates are also more matching.

A comparison of tier qualification AI Vs. Vistara
Air India
Silver - 15,000 points - 2,50,000 Rs per year
Gold - 30,000 points - 5,00,000 Rs per year
Platinum - 45,000 points - 7,50,000 Rs per year.
Vistara (point accrual varies as per which tier you are in)
Silver - 15,000 points - 1,36,364 - 1,87,500 Rs per year (base to Platinum)
Gold - 25,000 points - 2,27,273 - 3,12,500 Rs per year
Platinum - 35,000 points - 3,18,182 - 4,37,500 Rs per year.

Now the questions are:
1. How the merger with Vistara CV points would pan out?
2. How the miles accrued with Star Alliance partners would compare? most are based on miles traveled.
Opinion of frequent flyers/Vistara or AI cobranded card holders!!!

merger looks clean.. vistara will bcome AI and CV will become FR.. the differences will get moderated.. good move..

 

[telescope]

Vistara is still better IMO with their flat rate point requirement. Variable point rate of AI is not good. I wish vistara to not merge (won't happen though). On the other hand, AI have better network than vistara, so AI better that way.

 

[gurbina]

I would have ditched Air India and kept Vistara from a consumer standpoint in terms of everything except Air India network. Even Air India loyalty program was hilariously bad, as bad as their business class.

Air India has vastly improved the airport and on board service, but the branding and service without the most important part, the planes (and everything that comes with them), leaves a lot to be desired. They brought ex Delta 777 planes but they're a horror house even tho they're supposed to be better, well the business class seats are definitely an improvement.

Taking the current Air India and trying to turn it around wouldn't have been my first or even my last choice, I don't know why Tata didn't just keep growing Vistara since it's doing very well and doesn't have to deal with all the baggage and problems that Air India comes with.

At least now Air India is shaping much better, seeing this economy award pricing gives me hope.

I guess it will take at least a year or longer away until we see the more mature established product they envisioned.

 

[Zacobite]

I would have ditched Air India and kept Vistara from a consumer standpoint in terms of everything except Air India network. Even Air India loyalty program was hilariously bad, as bad as their business class.

Air India has vastly improved the airport and on board service, but the branding and service without the most important part, the planes (and everything that comes with them), leaves a lot to be desired. They brought ex Delta 777 planes but they're a horror house even tho they're supposed to be better, well the business class seats are definitely an improvement.

Taking the current Air India and trying to turn it around wouldn't have been my first or even my last choice, I don't know why Tata didn't just keep growing Vistara since it's doing very well and doesn't have to deal with all the baggage and problems that Air India comes with.

At least now Air India is shaping much better, seeing this economy award pricing gives me hope.

I guess it will take at least a year or longer away until we see the more mature established product they envisioned.

true that.. air india regaining lost glory would be so good to see..

 

[Ramakgmc]

is it correct?

I checked for a date in July using my ids at AI and Vistara websites.

 

[Ramakgmc]

For redemption, AI system may be better as seat availability is not limited as in Vistara.
Good value for your points would depend on how much price escalation happens due to dynamic pricing near the date of travel and will vary from sector to sector.

 

[Ramakgmc]

The AI redemption system will depend on
1. How early are you booking?
2. How many seats are already booked?

 

[laser00]

For business seats, seems like the best option would be to book flexible economy and upgrade with AI points

 

[rajarchit]

Go this mail today from club vistara.

 

[Ramakgmc]

Seems it should be a smooth integration and the AI FR looks almost similar to club Vistara now. May be better, since there is dynamic point pricing and seats should be mostly available.
However, the combined and revamped network should be also good for most guys living outside major metros

 

[rish54224]

Ramakgmc any idea how many seats will be reserved for quota for FR points booking? Vistara had 4.​

 

[V G]

Generally I have seen only 2 in 95% cases.

 

[TheGuy]

Generally I have seen only 2 in 95% cases.

W T H
Even worse than Vistara and I thought it would get better.