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Axis Reserve: Worth the 50,000 fee or not?

Subhankar

TF Ace
TF Family
Chief Mod

"Are Super Premium cards really worth the fee they come with?"

"That's a huge fee to pay upfront to get such card"
"How I can value out the fee I am paying for a Super Premium card?"
"Super Premium cards are not as good as cash back cards as I am getting all the value back as cash"


I hope everyone of you are familiar with these thoughts or statements. Even if you hold one, you at least once gave a thought like this. Like that I'm not an exception, these thought came to my mind as well before opting for my first ever Super Premium card which is Axis Reserve. I do hold other Super Premium cards like SBI Aurum, SCB Ultimate etc which I got later on but in this post I will just discuss about how one can value out Axis Reserve.

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I've chosen this card to discuss because it comes with a fee relatively higher than most of the cards available in India and in terms of Price Point it comes to the par of the mighty AMEX Platinum Charge card and ridiculously priced IndusInd Bank's Super Premium credit card which are Indulge, Crest, Celesta, Pioneer Heritage Metal as well as loved by many Citi Prestige. Though You can find all the feature and perks of Axis Reserve card's at the specially designed page by Axis Bank. So when evaluating the value of the card, let's start with the fee it comes with. So, for the people who don't know, let's hold the breathe, it's 50,000 INR + GST which is 59,000 INR. Ridiculous? Let's see!

Now I'll just point out the features which most of the people who hold this card can value out, adding to that, I'm COMPLETELY keeping the GOLF benefits out of the equation as even most of the people who hold this card will end up not using it.

The Highlighted Features:

1. Airport Transfers:
So this card comes with Chauffeured Airport Transfers in cars like Merc E Class, BMW 5 Series, Audi A4 which is limited to Delhi, NCR, Mumbai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai and Kolkata. For rest of the airports transfers gets cars like Swift Desire, Renault Logan, Toyota Etios. The value per transfer in terms of Luxury Airport Transfers can go upto 8,000 INR. There are 4 such transfers get offered by Axis. For average pricing, I'm keeping per transfers as 6,000 INR and people who hold this card can easily use this feature and can value out at max.

Total Value: 24,000 INR

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2. Airport Concierge Service:
It's the service commonly known as Airport Meet and Greet service. It helps you to skip long queue at airport and sometimes also provide the transfer with buggy at airport. Generally it costs around 4,000 to 8,000 INR. Axis Provide 8 such service, so on an average I can assume that a person can avail it at least 5 times in a year and the service cost is 5,000 INR.

Total Value: 25,000 INR

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3. Joining/Renewal Bonus:
Axis gives 50,000 edge reward points as joining/renewal benefit. It is even applicable if you hit the fee waiver spending milestone which is 25 Lakh INR.

Total Value: 10,000 INR

4. Club Marriott Membership:

Card Benefits:
i)
Up to a 20% & 15% off on the food and beverage bill at the restaurants for up to a maximum of 10 guests. Most of the Marriott Property will charge on an average 2,000 INR and guessing once in a year a person is availing the 20% discount and going with a group of 5 people. So on a bill of 10,000 INR, the person is saving 2,000 INR.
ii) Up to a 20% off on the Best Available Rates on rooms at participating Marriott hotels in India and on Weekend Rates in Asia Pacific. Considering room rent is 7,000 INR and the person is staying for 3 days, thus on a 21,000 INR bill, there'd be a saving of 4,200 INR.

Food and Beverage Certificates' Benefits:
1 certificate to avail a 50% off on the food bill and a 30% off on the total beverage bill for up to a maximum of 10 guests at participating Marriott hotels in India. Considering the same scenario as above, 5 guests with food bills of 2,000 INR each and beverage bill of 1,000 INR each, after the discounts the saving will be 6,500 INR on a bill of 15,000 INR.

Accommodation Certificates' Benefits:
i)
1 certificate for an upgrade to the next category of rooms on Best Available Rate for a maximum of 2 nights stay. Can save you at minimum 8,000 INR at category 4 properties of Marriott hotels in India
ii) 3 certificates offering a 30% off on accommodation on the Best Available Rate on the base category of rooms, valid for a stay of a maximum of 2 consecutive nights per certificate. Assuming, one is availing 2 out of 3 certificates which can save approximately 8,400 INR on a bill of 28,000 INR.
Not going with the Spa benefit which provides 20% discount as better offers can be availed.

Total Value: 29,100

Note: Most of the people will end up not using most of the benefits except F&B benefits as better value can be earned through Marriott Bonvoy Gold membership which is available through AMEX Platinum Charge card or AMEX Centurion card. If you transfer points, it'd be better value. Though in near future it can change as Marriott is going to move to dynamic pricing for their properties through points, soon.


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5. Accor Plus: Axis offers automatic enrolment to the Silver Tier membership of Accor Plus which comes with various benefits and which is generally achievable by spending 800 € which is roughly around 70,000 INR. Let's talk about the benefits

Accommodation:
i) Complementary stay of 1 night at all the participating hotels. The room category is Deluxe. It can easily save on an average 7,000 INR
ii) Member only rate with 10% discount even at Red Hot rooms which already goes with 40-60% discount. Though not counting it.

Dining:
Considering food bill per person is 1500 INR
i) 2 people dining 50% food discount. 1500 INR discount on 3000 INR bill
ii) 3 people dining 33% food discount. 1485 INR discount on 4500 INR bill
iii) 4 people dining 25% food discount and so on up to a minimum 10% discount. 1500 discount on 6000 INR bill
iv) 25% food discount when dining alone. 375 INR discount on 1500 INR bill
v) Flat 15% off on beverages (Alcoholic and Non Alcoholic) in Asia. 300 INR discount on 2000 INR bill
If it's considered that one is availing these benefits at least once a year, which will give approximately 5000 INR value back.

Total Value: 12,000 INR

Joining Benefits Through Certificates:

I'm sharing the joining benefits I got which is specially crafted for the city the card holder belongs to and thus comes with additional certificates.
i) Lunch Buffet All India for two (2 Certificates) = 6000 INR
ii) Birthday Cake (1kg): 1500 INR
iii) Novotel Kolkata Lunch or Dinner Buffet for two : 3000 INR
iv) Ibis Kolkata Lunch or Dinner Buffet for two: 3000 INR
v) Bottle of Red or White Wine at table of four at Novotel Kolkata: 6500 INR
vi) 500 INR off at 1000 INR bakery product purchase from Delice, Novotel Kolkata: 500 INR
vii) 50% discount at group dining of 6 - 12 people, Novotel Kolkata: Considering 6 people and bill of 9000 INR, saving is 4500 INR
viii) Complementary buffet breakfast for two when staying at Member's rate at Novotel Kolkata (2 Certificates): 6000 INR
ix) 40% discount on food bill of 4-10 people across India and Sri Lanka: considering 6 people and 1500 INR per people, 3,600 INR
x) 500 INR off on minimum 2000 INR food bill across India: 500 INR
xi) 40 % discount on food bill of 6 and more people as well as buy two get two starters at Novotel Goa Candolim or Novotel Goa Resort and Spa: 4400 INR
xii) 50% discount on food bill for 10-15 group of people at Ibis Kolkata (2 Certificates): 10 people, 1500 INR per person cost, saves 15000 INR
xii) Next Room Category upgrade (no capping on number of days of stays): Considering staying for 5 days, saves 15000 INR
xiii) 3999 + Tax for Standard Room for 2 adults and 1 child for one night including Breakfast buffet + Lunch or Dinner buffet at Ibis Kolkata (2 Certificates): Though not saving at all at room rate but those buffet can pull 6000 INR value, considering used 1 out of 2 certificates.

Total Value: 75,500 INR

Note: Even if I exclude all the benefits of AccorPlus, and just count the joining benefits, it compensate and add more value over the joining fee of Reserve.

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6. ITC Culinaire:
Though it comes with various certificates, I'm listing the useful ones. It comes at a cost of 12000 INR + Tax.
i) 50% on food & beverage for maximum of 4 people: Saving max 4000 X 2 Certificates= 8000 INR
ii) 20% on food & beverage for maximum of 4 people: Saving max 1600 X 2 Certificates = 3200 INR
iii) Third Night Complimentary stay: Considering you're staying at ITC One category rooms, you save 15000 INR
iv) Next Category Room upgrade includes suits for 3 consecutive nights: which can value out almost 60,000 INR

Total Value: 85,200 INR

Note: Most of the people will end up only using the F&B Certificates. Adding to that if you pay for the membership, you get 1 night 2 days complimentary stay at standard room for 2 includes buffet breakfast.

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7. Book My Show Offer:
BOGO 500 off on movie and 1000 off on non-movie tickets both 5 times in a month. Considering one is availing movie benefit 10 times in a year and non movie benefit 5 times in a year.

Total Value: 10000 INR

8. Airport Lounge:
Reserve offers unlimited international lounge access with 12 complimentary guest visits. Flying international twice a year with group of 4 and domestic with group of 4. Every visit counts as 2000 INR per person.

Total Value: 16000 INR

Bottomline:
If the joining only perks are not considered it's a value out of 2,11,300 INR. As a joining perk there's additional 75,500 INR value you can draw from this card on very first year. This value is without considering the reduced forex markup of 1.5%, various other benefits like: Oberoi Benefits which include offer like 50% off on suites, 15% off at Postcard Hotels, complementary annual membership of EazyDiner Prime, Welji benefits, Second Medical opinion from World's renowned Hospitals , discounted rate at Dr. Lal Pathlabs & Metropolis and also a hidden gem like Global Travel and Medical Assistance.

Though most of the benefits will not be availed by people holding this card, I'm going to do a strict valuation of it, without the Joining Benefits.

Let's check on the parameters being considered:
1. Airport Transfers: 24,000 INR
2. Airport Concierge: 25,000 INR
3. Joining/Renewal benefit of 50,000 edge points: 10,000 INR
4. Club Marriott: Considering F&B Certificate and Accommodation Certificate (Point ii): 14,900 INR
5. Accor Plus (Without Joining Benefits): Considering 1 night free stay and Dining (Point i): 8,500 INR
6. ITC Culinaire: Considering F&B benefits only (Point i & ii): 11,200 INR
7. BMS BOGO offer: 10,000 INR
8. Airport Lounge: 16,000 INR

Total Valuation: 1,19,600 INR

So even after paying 59,000 upfront, you'll still get 60,600 INR extra benefits. This would be the same even if you pay the renewal fee every year considering you're not hitting the 25L fee waiver milestone as all these memberships keep renewing with your card renewal till you hold the cards.


Now again this card is not for all, but if you have these usage and can avail these memberships, go ahead and grab it!
 
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sourpai

TF Ace
VIP Lounge
There is a difference in the reward program of reserve and burgundy cards.

Reserve::
  • 15 edge reward points for every Rs.200 spent
  • 2X rewards on international spends
Burgundy:
  • 15 EDGE REWARD points for every Rs. 200 spent on your card.
Does Burgundy also give 2X on international spends? i think they already give benefit by waiving forex charges. Please confirm me once
Burgundy private credit card does not give benefit of 2X points on international transactions. But forex markup fees is zero. For some people this can be a better option than reserve, which charges 1.5%+GST forex charges but gives 2x rewards

I personally prefer zero forex charges on Burgundy private.

Do we have anyone on forum who has burgundy private account with burgundy private credit card?
 

CMG

TF Ace
TF Family
Moderator
VIP Lounge
Burgundy private credit card does not give benefit of 2X points on international transactions. But forex markup fees is zero. For some people this can be a better option than reserve, which charges 1.5%+GST forex charges but gives 2x rewards

I personally prefer zero forex charges on Burgundy private.

Do we have anyone on forum who has burgundy private account with burgundy private credit card?
No cash withdrawal fee or interest on cash withdrawal.
 

RajBlr

TF Ace
VIP Lounge
There is a difference in the reward program of reserve and burgundy cards.

Reserve::
  • 15 edge reward points for every Rs.200 spent
  • 2X rewards on international spends
Burgundy:
  • 15 EDGE REWARD points for every Rs. 200 spent on your card.
Does Burgundy also give 2X on international spends? i think they already give benefit by waiving forex charges. Please confirm me once
If you see closely there is no mark-up fee for Burgundy private CCard, that could be the reason.

On the other hand Reserver as a 1.5% markup fees for international spend + GST, so to compensate, they may be giving double rewards or so?

Reserve

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Burgundy Private CCard
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Mohur

TF Select
VIP Lounge
I find it more lucrative to get extra 15 edge reward points for every 200 INR than saving the 1.5%+GST

But it will depend on each person, some would rather save that ~1.8% than getting points/miles valued twice as much.

Would you rather save 1800 INR or spend it to get 3600 INR worth of points/miles?

Consumerism 101

Consider my case:

I have 0 spends on travel and hotel throughout the year. My main objective is to get Amazon vouchers from Edge points.
5 points = Rs 1 amazon voucher (value)

1 Lakh Spent internationally on Reserve card:
1.8% Markup Expenses: Rs 1800
2X Edge Points: Rs 15000 or Amazon Voucher value: Rs 3000
Additional Income Tax Benefit on Expenses: 30% of Rs 1800 = 540
Net Gain: Rs 1740

1 Lakh Spent internationally on Burgundy card:
Expenses: 0
1X Edge Points: Rs 7500 or Amazon Voucher value: Rs 1500
Net Gain: Rs 1500

So, yes Reserve card is better suited for me.
I assume you have access to axis rewards portal.
Can you tell me if the axis reward portal has any better option of reward point redemption apart from Travel, Hotel and Amazon vouchers?
 

CMG

TF Ace
TF Family
Moderator
VIP Lounge
Consider my case:

I have 0 spends on travel and hotel throughout the year. My main objective is to get Amazon vouchers from Edge points.
5 points = Rs 1 amazon voucher (value)

1 Lakh Spent internationally on Reserve card:
1.8% Markup Expenses: Rs 1800
2X Edge Points: Rs 15000 or Amazon Voucher value: Rs 3000
Additional Income Tax Benefit on Expenses: 30% of Rs 1800 = 540
Net Gain: Rs 1740

1 Lakh Spent internationally on Burgundy card:
Expenses: 0
1X Edge Points: Rs 7500 or Amazon Voucher value: Rs 1500
Net Gain: Rs 1500

So, yes Reserve card is better suited for me.
I assume you have access to axis rewards portal.
Can you tell me if the axis reward portal has any better option of reward point redemption apart from Travel, Hotel and Amazon vouchers?
You also need to include 59k fee in the calculation. Also the Burgundy private card acts as a Forex and Debit card.
 

RajBlr

TF Ace
VIP Lounge
Consider my case:

I have 0 spends on travel and hotel throughout the year. My main objective is to get Amazon vouchers from Edge points.
5 points = Rs 1 amazon voucher (value)

1 Lakh Spent internationally on Reserve card:
1.8% Markup Expenses: Rs 1800
2X Edge Points: Rs 15000 or Amazon Voucher value: Rs 3000
Additional Income Tax Benefit on Expenses: 30% of Rs 1800 = 540
Net Gain: Rs 1740

1 Lakh Spent internationally on Burgundy card:
Expenses: 0
1X Edge Points: Rs 7500 or Amazon Voucher value: Rs 1500
Net Gain: Rs 1500

So, yes Reserve card is better suited for me.
I assume you have access to axis rewards portal.
Can you tell me if the axis reward portal has any better option of reward point redemption apart from Travel, Hotel and Amazon vouchers?
Unfortunately, the real game changer is the Miles/Hotel transfer only (though you said you won't use it)

As per your calculation on 1Lac to Miles/Hotel points transfer...

12k in Reserve with double points (15000*0.8)
6k only in Burgundy one(7500*0.8)
 

Mohur

TF Select
VIP Lounge
Okay, I did some more calculations, now comparing Magnus, Reserve, and Burgundy cards with 5L spending per month:

5 Lakh Spent internationally on Reserve card:
1.8% Markup Expenses: Rs 9000
30 Edge Points per Rs 200: 75000 or Amazon Voucher value: Rs 15000
Additional Income Tax Benefit on Expenses: 30% of Rs 9000 = 2700
Net Gain: Rs 8700

5 Lakh Spent internationally on Burgundy card:
Expenses: 0
15 Edge Points per Rs 200: 37500 or Amazon Voucher value: Rs 7500
Net Gain: Rs 7500

5 Lakh Spent internationally on Magnus card:
2.3% Markup Expenses: Rs 11500
12 Edge Points per Rs 200 : 30000+25000 (milestone) = 55000 or Amazon Voucher value: Rs 11000
Additional Income Tax Benefit on Expenses: 30% of Rs 11500 = 3450
Net Gain: Rs 2950

Magnus is nowhere close to Reserve card when it comes to more than 1L monthly spend
 

gurbina

TF Premier
VIP Lounge
Okay, I did some more calculations, now comparing Magnus, Reserve, and Burgundy cards with 5L spending per month:

5 Lakh Spent internationally on Reserve card:
1.8% Markup Expenses: Rs 9000
30 Edge Points per Rs 200: 75000 or Amazon Voucher value: Rs 15000
Additional Income Tax Benefit on Expenses: 30% of Rs 9000 = 2700
Net Gain: Rs 8700

5 Lakh Spent internationally on Burgundy card:
Expenses: 0
15 Edge Points per Rs 200: 37500 or Amazon Voucher value: Rs 7500
Net Gain: Rs 7500

5 Lakh Spent internationally on Magnus card:
2.3% Markup Expenses: Rs 11500
12 Edge Points per Rs 200 : 30000+25000 (milestone) = 55000 or Amazon Voucher value: Rs 11000
Additional Income Tax Benefit on Expenses: 30% of Rs 11500 = 3450
Net Gain: Rs 2950

Magnus is nowhere close to Reserve card when it comes to more than 1L monthly spend
Do you spend 5L monthly, overseas? That already excludes 99.99% of people.

Someone traveling that much overseas and spending 5L a month wouldn't flush down the toilets their points for Amazon Gift cards. Not sure what to tell you but I'm pretty sure there's better cards elsewhere for cashback or gift cards that align with your lifestyle better.

But doesn't change the fact that on 1L spend Magnus will beat any card, with reasonable use of the multipliers of GrabDeals and Gyftr you'd probably be getting closer to 40k points in 1L spends. Even without that and just the milestone you would be getting half the rewards in the next best card in the market, even the Reserve on up to around ~3L foreign purchases considering the 2x multiplier.

Just use the Magnus for 1L (local or foreign purchases) and put the rest in the Reserve card.

Why choose when you can have BOTH specially in cases like yours.

But if you must have just ONE, and you spend 5L a month overseas, then yes, the Reserve works better for you.
 
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Mohur

TF Select
VIP Lounge
Do you spend 5L monthly, overseas? That already excludes 99.99% of people.

Someone traveling that much overseas and spending 5L a month wouldn't flush down the toilets their points for Amazon Gift cards. Not sure what to tell you but I'm pretty sure there's better cards elsewhere for cashback or gift cards that align with your lifestyle better.

But doesn't change the fact that on 1L spend Magnus will beat any card, with reasonable use of the multipliers of GrabDeals and Gyftr you'd probably be getting closer to 40k points in 1L spends. Even without that and just the milestone you would be getting half the rewards in the next best card in the market, even the Reserve on up to around ~3L foreign purchases considering the 2x multiplier.

Just use the Magnus for 1L (local or foreign purchases) and put the rest in the Reserve card.

Why choose when you can have BOTH specially in cases like yours.

But if you must have just ONE, and you spend 5L a month overseas, then yes, the Reserve works better for you.

Yes, I have that much expenses in USD every month, and I want to keep my accounting manageable, that's why I should keep only 1 card. I know I can increase my rewards by keeping multiple cards, but that will be too messy for me, my accountant, and CA.

Had my work allowed me to travel all the time, I would have made the best use of these points, but no, I have to keep finding other ways to use reward points (Gift vouchers, etc).

For amazon vouchers, Axis is giving 5:1 reward at redemption time. In one of the Technofino's video, he mentioned a better redemption ratio available in multi-brand vouchers. I will see about redemption option on accumulated points. First, I need to get rid of Infinia and switch to Axis Reserve
 

CMG

TF Ace
TF Family
Moderator
VIP Lounge
Yes, I have that much expenses in USD every month, and I want to keep my accounting manageable, that's why I should keep only 1 card. I know I can increase my rewards by keeping multiple cards, but that will be too messy for me, my accountant, and CA.

Had my work allowed me to travel all the time, I would have made the best use of these points, but no, I have to keep finding other ways to use reward points (Gift vouchers, etc).

For amazon vouchers, Axis is giving 5:1 reward at redemption time. In one of the Technofino's video, he mentioned a better redemption ratio available in multi-brand vouchers. I will see about redemption option on accumulated points. First, I need to get rid of Infinia and switch to Axis Reserve
If you have axis privilege card, you can get multiband vouchers. ₹2500 voucher for 6,250 RPs. so 1RP = 0.4 instead of 0.2. (Until this loophole closes)
 

Mohur

TF Select
VIP Lounge
If you have axis privilege card, you can get multiband vouchers. ₹2500 voucher for 6,250 RPs. so 1RP = 0.4 instead of 0.2. (Until this loophole closes)
But privlige card gives 10 points per Rs 200. Not good value back compared to reserve card.

I just noticed axis bank has the best reward redemption catalogue for non-travel also with 5:1 conversion ratio.
 

CMG

TF Ace
TF Family
Moderator
VIP Lounge
But privlige card gives 10 points per Rs 200. Not good value back compared to reserve card.

I just noticed axis bank has the best reward redemption catalogue for non-travel also with 5:1 conversion ratio.
All ER points goes to the same account. So holding prvilege and magnus/reserve lets you use the ER points from magnus/reserve to buy the voucher available for privilege.
 

RajBlr

TF Ace
VIP Lounge
Have applied it yesterday C2C. Let's see if it gets approved. I already have 3 Axis cards, so chances are low for approval.
Offline I would assume? since you mentioned C2C

Which card to show for better limit from get go?

Any additional offer like FYF or Extra Edgerewards you getting?
 
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