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Are ULIPs really bad? A detailed analysis

If we pay premium only for 10 years(accelerated pay) and premium gets above 2.5l then also we get tax benefit?
The main reason which discouraged me was that we don't get both benefits insurance or investment. If something were to happen to you say after 15 years and your corpus is only 49 lakhs your family will only get insurance benefit of 50l. The whole investment corpus will be taken by the bank unlike the case if you would have done these two separately your nominee would have got both. I think this drawback is big enough to consider the tax benefits
Yes, 2.5 lakhs per year is the maximum premium limit, regardless of the term for it to be tax exempt. You raise a very valid point. That is indeed a disadvantage. I hadn’t considered it as the 50 lakhs of insurance wasn’t a factor for me. The only consolation is that the insurance premium (mortality charge) decreases as your corpus grows and would have been zero at 50 lakhs corpus value. So you could assume that you had discontinued the insurance at that point. You would get the corpus value if it were to be greater than 50 lakhs. A very valid point indeed.
 
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lol wtf is this diversification you are talking about!!
Diversification into another type of product. It’s like we try different investments in different types of instruments. If I have 10 or 20 crores to invest, would I place it all in one single MF in one sector like banking or would I diversify into real estate, gold, different MFs in different sectors as well as some investments abroad?
 
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If we invest same amount
ULIP = low coverage insurance + investment (bond/equity) + high administration charges + Loke in period
Term insurance + investment (equity/bond) = high coverage insurance (5-10 times than ulip) + minimal administrative charges and no lock in period.
If your investment beat inflation = good
If your investment can’t beat inflation = worthless.
Don’t justify your own logic for ulip is superior product than pure term insurance+ investment (equity/bond).
I am not worried about term insurance. On pure investment alone, a ULIP would be similar to a MF due to rax savings and return of all FMC over 25 years.
 
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This is by Zerodha. Obviously, they want people to invest in MFs instead. The example given is for a ULIP at 5 years when it’s well known that the first 5 years are the worst due to initial fees. You have to look at it after at least 15 years. Secondly, insurance cover is immaterial in a ULIP. IT is only included to make the returns tax free. So that should not be a consideration. As a pure investment alone, it will equal or beat similar MFs if held to maturity. You also have the option to switch funds or move to bonds whenever you like at no cost. If my corpus is 50 lakhs and we enter a downturn that wipes 30% off the market, I can move it to a bonds whenever fund and espcape with perhaps just 10% loss compared to 30% for MFs.
 
The point of free unlimited switching is quite important. Definitely in mf u can do nothing. Here u can switch out to debt and move back in. I t requires a bit of management on ur part that’s all.. and anyways this is just a small part of portfolio 2.5 lakhs per year
 
lmao idk man, I will lose sanity over this. Peace out, folks, if you are reading this, don't fall into this trap. Don't ever "invest" in ULIP.
Completely agree..
My detailed analysis of funds and reduction in effective investment amount due to insurance/mortality/GST results in the vast difference in final corpus.

This I am saying after analyzing at least 5-6 ULIP plans from diffrent ULIP providers..
 
Completely agree..
My detailed analysis of funds and reduction in effective investment amount due to insurance/mortality/GST results in the vast difference in final corpus.

This I am saying after analyzing at least 5-6 ULIP plans from diffrent ULIP providers..
I did a similar thing a long, long time back while Lobogris was defending. SSV is yet to provide a brief on his ULIP return and all. Anyone can just use chatgpt to understand the policy. Upload the policy doc and provide MF info, you will have the ans.
 
Tax advantage:

The entire gains would remain tax free. This directly provides a 12.5% current and likely a 20% future tax benefit as tax on equity is bound to rise. On an 80 lakh corpus, we are talking about 16 lakhs in tax benefit. Even a 50 lakh corpus means 10 lakhs saved at the likely 20% tax rate. Even at current tax rate, you would save 6 to 10 lakhs.
Afaik returns are tax free only upto 5L premium per annum policies.
 
The day that any life insurance amount received only by nominee upon death of policy holder is made tax free, Endowment and ULIPs will evaporate into thin air...
 
Completely agree..
My detailed analysis of funds and reduction in effective investment amount due to insurance/mortality/GST results in the vast difference in final corpus.

This I am saying after analyzing at least 5-6 ULIP plans from diffrent ULIP providers..
Please share this analysis with some figures.
 
That’s just parroting the cliches. Try getting that 2 crore term cover for 2k when you turn 40 or 50. There is no harm in having a product that combines different elements. Why is it bad? Just because you read somewhere that insurance and investment shouldn’t be mixed?
Brother is a certified yapper! It's like justifying sun rises from West. Firstly, I don't think anyone thinking of getting term insurance when you are on door of death counting your last few years. It's better to keep FDs now. Sleeping on whole life over insurance and suddenly wakes up in the 50s to feel the need. Failing to plan an insurance isn't a justification for bad products. Even banks knew it so they change names from ULIP to something Smart Protect Super Max Pro so that "Customer ko batli me utara jaye" They're now even offering Premium CCs against ULIPs...lol. I don't see it happening with term insurance. You can wait for 15 years for ULIP but can't for better MF returns ?
 
So isn’t that true of ALL mutual funds? A ULIP is simply another mutual fund. By your logic, all the gains in the market are useless due to inflation. It’s great to invest in gold.I have fairly large holdings in gold. Here, we are talking about mutual funds.
Yes. Inflation eats away at your returns. Isn't it common sense? I see no one offering 15 year old prices for anything (talking about long term investment). Prices will always go up. We bought land for 10L 15 years ago, now the same land costs 50-60L.
 
After reading multiple messages I think we should take ulip only for investment purpose and not for insurance protection.

This is because capital gains would be tax free (although I know there will be allocation charges and gst paid on premium), but in normal mutual fund we need to pay capital gains tax.
Since ulip won't have any insurance benefits so no question of mortality charges

For insurance protection term assurance would be good
 
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I will try and present an unbiased analysis of my ULIP from HDFC in order to discuss the positive and negative aspects of modern ULIPs. Most plans have a premium payment term of 10 to 15 years. The premium ranges from 50k to just over 2 lakhs as 2.5 lakhs is the maximum annual premium allowed for it to be tax free. My premium is a bit over 2 lakhs with a payment period of 10 years and a life insurance cover of 50 lakhs along with 50 lakhs of dismemberment and another 50 lakhs of disability coverage. The duration of the policy is 25 years. Some people would think that they got a better deal as their premium is lower or their payment period is smaller but this is like any investment: more you invest, more your corpus will be at the end.

Key Factors:

Negative Factors

Premium allocation charges:


These are collected typically for the first 4 years and are as follows:

12% for 1st year
6% for the 2nd year
4% for the 3rd year
3% for the 4th year
None from the 5th year onwards

NOTE: these charges are refunded 2X (double the amount paid) after 10 years. The charges collected in the 1st year are refunded via addition to the fund in the 11th year and the charges collected in the second year are refunded in the 11th year and so on. So we can sort of assume that we are allocating a portion of our investment in a fixed deposit that would double it in 10 years with a tax equivalent yield of 11% for this portion. However, there is some lost opportunity cost here.


Mortality charges:

These are the most insidious and perhaps the most harmful aspect of a ULIP. These charges vary by age and are collected daily by selling off your NAV units. There is a specific formula approved by IRDAI which is used to Calculate these charges. The older you are, the higher the charge and the higher the sum assured, the higher the charge as well. As a rough example, for a 30 year old, with a 50 lakh sum assured, this charge would be 0.8305 per 1000 of sum assured. This would translate to Rs 4152 annually. For a person at age 40, the charges would be 1.4280 per 1000, which would be 7140 per year. As you get older, these charges shoot up dramatically. At 50, you would pay 18853 per year, at 60, Rs 47438 and at 70 years old, you would pay a horrendous 1.02 lakhs per year!

See below as well.
Silver lining:

Firstly, these charges are imposed on the amount at risk for the insurer. The policy pays the sum insured or your corpus balance, whichever is higher (sum at risk minus fund value). When your corpus is zero, the insurer is bearing the risk for the full 50 lakhs and these charges would be calculated on full 50 lakhs sum insured. When your corpus has grown to 10 lakhs, the sum at risk is now 40 lakhs and the charges would be claculated on 40 lakhs value. When your corpus reaches 20 lakhs, the charges are based upon the remaining 30 lakhs value and if and when your corpus reaches 50 lakhs, the charges become zero. So the hope is that your corpus grows quickly to 20 to 30 lakhs in 10 years in order to reduce these charges as you grow older. The illustration at 8% growth (maximum permitted by IRDAI) shows that corpus at 25 lakhs at 10 years and 50 lakhs at around 18 years. However, the funds have grown historically at 26% and one can assume that one wouldn’t have to pay mortality charges after about 15 years unless there is a very long downturn the stock market.

Refunded at 2X. Even better feature is that these mortality charges are refunded back at 2X the amount paid starting from the 10th year. This is done by adding units monthly just as they were deducted. So, once again, we can assume that we are dedicating a portion of our investment to a fixed deposit that would double it in 10 years tax free.

Policy administration charge:

This is capped at 6k per year with no charges for the first 5 years.

Fund management charge:

This is 1.35% per year which is similar to most non direct mutual funds.

NOTE: These charges are fully refunded (1X) at the end of the policy term. So there would be a fairly large addition of 10 to 30 lakhs at the end to the corpus depending upon its total value.


Lock in period:

There is a minimum 5 year lock in period. You can surrender you policy earlier with a fee of 3k for the first year which falls to 1.5k in the 3rd year. When you surrender it before 5 years, the corpus amount is transferred to a fixed deposit type of account which pays 3.5% (4% minus 0.5% admin charge) and this is returned to the customer after the completion of 5 years. After 5 years, you can make partial or total withdraws without any fee but it would be foolish to do so. Overall, you are stuck for at least 15 years if you want to recover some of the charges and reap any benefit.

Riders:
You are forced to purchase mandatory riders for disability and dismemberment. These add up to a mostly wasted premium of around 5k per year for 10 years.

GST:
You end up paying GST charge of 4% which translates to around 8k per year for 10 years.


Positive Factors

Free unlimited switching:


You can switch your fund and future premiums from one fund type to another, including bond funds. You can do this fully or in any mix of percentages. For example, if you are in fund X at 100% allocation, you can move 50% to bonds and 20% to Fund B and 30% to fund C and so on. There is no fee and you can do this as often as you like. In case of a downturn in the market, you can move your corpus to a bond fund and wait it out without having to liquidate and pay tax like you would in a normal mutual fund.

Tax advantage:

The entire gains would remain tax free. This directly provides a 12.5% current and likely a 20% future tax benefit as tax on equity is bound to rise. On an 80 lakh corpus, we are talking about 16 lakhs in tax benefit. Even a 50 lakh corpus means 10 lakhs saved at the likely 20% tax rate. Even at current tax rate, you would save 6 to 10 lakhs.

Insurance component:

Personally, 50 lakhs isn't a large amount for me. However, this sum insured of 50 lakhs for life and disability, can be a reasonably significant amount for some people. In which case, they can enjoy an additional benefit.

Premium payment rewards:

Using my Biz Black, I can get 16.5% cashback on premium payment! Using Infinia and Amazon Pay, I can get around 12% and using SBI Cashback Card via Apay, I can get 5% cashback. This isn’t possible in normal mutual fund investment. The premium can be paid annually, quarterly or monthly. 16.5% cashback on my annual premium is a cool 36k which more than makes up for any opportunity cost loss.

Refund of Fund Maintenance Charges:

All charges collected during the tenure are refunded at the end. This can easily become a nice sum of 10 to 15 lakhs in refund, depending upon your corpus value. For example, if your corpus were valued at 60 lakhs, the maintenance charge for the year would be 81k. The 8% illustration shows a refund of over 10 lakhs. If the fund grows at 12 or 16%, the corpus would be much larger and this refund would be even higher.

Helps improve relationship with the bank:

Bankers love ULIPs due to high charges and it can help you become a more premium customer and can lead to some benefits.

Conclusion:

A ULIP is only worth it if it is held for at least 15 plus years. If you look at its performance in the first year or two, it will be abysmal due to the high allocation plus mortality charges. So the first 5 years are bound to show a terrible picture and most people become disheartened and give up. It’s only after the 2x refunds start getting added starting from the 10th year when you would start seeing good performnce. The long lock in period is a negative but, in a way, it helps by ensuring that you are invested for the long run. I would welcome comments and discussion. The figures as well as the refund of charges is taken from the policy document and is guaranteed. So, please don’t come up with arguments like, ‘they are lying, they won’t refund anything’ as it is an official contract document. It’s like having a fixed deposit at the rate of 8% and arguing that the bank won’t actually pay. We can discuss other aspects such as the loss due to opportunity cost and so on. In general, you can do better with a mutual fund as it provides flexibility without any long lock in period.
I was searching about taxation on ulips and found that if your aggregate annual premium on ulips are greater than 2.5 lakh and policy is issued after 1 feb 2021, your returns are taxable

In this case ulips are not attractive
 
Please share this analysis with some figures.
Attaching the analysis with best of my assumption. If you can provide fund flow illustration I can refine this sheet more.

  • I assumed 14% return in case of both ULIP and MF where MFs return is after tax whereas there is no tax on ULIP.
  • ULIP gave 13190077 as final corpus after adding back all the charges like mortality, fund management etc. whereas MF gave 16344780.
  • I havent calculated the tax benefit you are going to get in MFs if you tax harvesting which will further increase the final corpus of the MFs.
If you can provide me illustration sheet then it will reduce the assumption errors which I may have in the sheet.

So summary is even without favoring tax harvesting benefits which MFs will give you, MFs with similar post-tax returns are always better than the ULIP which you have analyzed. Approx 25% more corpus in MFs.
 

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Attaching the analysis with best of my assumption. If you can provide fund flow illustration I can refine this sheet more.

  • I assumed 14% return in case of both ULIP and MF where MFs return is after tax whereas there is no tax on ULIP.
  • ULIP gave 13190077 as final corpus after adding back all the charges like mortality, fund management etc. whereas MF gave 16344780.
  • I havent calculated the tax benefit you are going to get in MFs if you tax harvesting which will further increase the final corpus of the MFs.
If you can provide me illustration sheet then it will reduce the assumption errors which I may have in the sheet.

So summary is even without favoring tax harvesting benefits which MFs will give you, MFs with similar post-tax returns are always better than the ULIP which you have analyzed. Approx 25% more corpus in MFs.
Plz reduce 5% in every ulip Premium which u pay by credit card and earn reward or cashback. That 5% can be further invested in mf.
Still ULIP is lower but if any1 have cc with better rewards then it will be beneficial.
Thanks for this excel. It will clear all doubts
 
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