IMF funding - Its a bigger game

[2025]

Is there any option to suspend/replace our current top leadership at least till we destroy the terroristan. Why the hell Trump allowed to interfere in a bilateral issue that we were talking about since decades?

They are 70+. Age matters in posturing and decision making in, on, and about the battlefield. At that age people tend to be defencive. Why the hell we are switching our electricity off. Stupid cowards. Terrorist state ka itna himmat. Bring someone stronger for media briefing who don't require to read scripts.

In the history of civilization is there any record of a leader won a war at that age? Why don't these guys resign on their own. They got old (buddha). Sorry, but, it's a truth, accept it. In any job in India they would have been retired or thrown out. Handling war is one of the toughest job.

Handover the PM post to any strong army officer below age of 45 for 30 days. Pak won't exist in the world map.

 

[EnthuCC]

Glad to find this video here.

Apparently most Indians don't know geopolitics beyond a certain level. And unfortunately those who know, they look at it from a local/regional political lenses and would exploit for to further their personal agenda.

Our elites don't care about India.

 

[magnusfan]

Have you looked at US GDP and per capita income ? How does it compare to India

I somehow skipped your question yesterday:

📊 Comparative Overview

Category​	United States​	India​
Total Government Debt	$36.56 trillion	$2.14 trillion (Central Govt)
Debt-to-GDP Ratio	99% (2024), projected 116% (2034)	58.3% (as of Sep 2024)
External Debt	$8.2 trillion	$711.8 billion
Bond Market Size	$29 trillion	$2.69 trillion
Key Domestic Holders	Federal Reserve, Mutual Funds, Banks	Government Securities, Small Savings
Key Foreign Holders	Japan, China, UK	Multilateral Institutions, NRIs

🧭 Insights

• Scale and Structure: The U.S. debt is significantly larger in absolute terms, with a well-developed bond market attracting global investors. India’s debt, while smaller, has been growing steadily, with a substantial portion held domestically
• Debt Sustainability: India’s debt-to-GDP ratio is lower than that of the U.S., indicating a relatively more sustainable debt position. However, both countries face challenges related to fiscal deficits and the need for prudent debt management
• Investor Confidence: Strong demand in U.S. Treasury auctions suggests continued investor confidence, despite concerns over debt ceiling debates. India’s bond market is also attracting interest, supported by the Reserve Bank of India’s measures to maintain liquidity

 

[EnthuCC]

Have you looked at US GDP and per capita income ? How does it compare to India

That doesn't matter. It's a wrong comparison.

Debt to GDP ratio is key economic indicator whatever your your GDP or GDP per capita is. With your idea of comparison the debt per capita of US would be huge.

Almost every year US Treasury proposes raising debt ceiling and magically they raise it each time. They have power of printing unlimited money (Petrodollar) while we don't.

Please educate yourself first when you make an argument next time.

 

[Kushagra_]

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Handover the PM post to any strong army officer below age of 45 for 30 days. Pak won't exist in the world map

Maybe nor would india

 

[magnusfan]

I think it's high time to start getting out of Dollar as a global currency!

De-dollarization is ofcourse a long-term, multi-decade process. The most realistic path is not abrupt replacement but building a multipolar currency system where the dollar is just one of several widely used currencies.


Realistic Challenges

• Network effect of USD: It’s deeply embedded in global trade, finance, and investment.
• Liquidity and trust: Alternatives must offer the same level of transparency, scale, and legal reliability.
• Geopolitical resistance: U.S. influence over global institutions often discourages alternatives

Currency/Asset​	Liquidity​	Trust​	Adoption​	Limitations​
USD	Very High	High	Global	Overused, sanction-prone
Euro	High	High	Moderate	Political fragmentation
Yuan/RMB	Growing	Medium	Low	Capital controls
Gold	Medium	High	High	Not transactional
SDRs	Low	High	Very Low	Not a real currency
Crypto	Varies	Mixed	Growing	Volatile, unregulated
CBDCs	Emerging	TBD	Low	Still in rollout phase

I personally really like the idea of SDRs which should be a weighted basket of major currencies (like USD, EUR, CNY, JPY, GBP)!

 

[abhiaj_geek]

Choose your words properly, He is our PM and this not a political medium , here i request our @TechnoFino team to restrain this WOKE culture in our forum

What WOKE? This is common news that a 5 year old Indian knows.

Indian media is very much controlled by ruling party.

 

[_deb_]

World respects economic and military strength. We have come a long way since Kargil and IC814, and there is still a long way to go before our views makes a difference. No one consults a biswaguru before sanctioning a loan to any country. India has only 2.75% of voting quota in IMF, we can’t expect all decisions to go in our favour.

 

[desiviru]

Whatever people think, my view is different of what happened yesterday. Only a strong leadership can call for ceasefire which Russia and Israel were not capable of. They know many will criticize them or call the cowards yet they took a sane decision for time being.

Pakistan is a rogue nation and we can never burn future of our citizen fighting with a nation that are like pigs and pigs like mud and plays with it as it gives them fun.

A stronger Pakistan (not stronger than us but to likesa of Bangladesh/Sri Lanka etc) is much better for India than a weak Pakistan for geographical peace. No matter where they get money from. If you have a financially weak neighbour trust me the danger of his poverty is more on you as he will come to beg to you or request you for money. It's good China is taking care of this poor nation called Pakistan.

India has much more to lose in war than win. Taking over this country will give nothing to India but a huge amount of debt to be taken care of. Pakistan debit is so much that even after selling every soul it has debt won't become zero.

Someone yesterday on media rightly said, that it is always better to weak Pakistan without a war but not make them weaker enough that they start feeding on our blood.

I hope tomorrow they don't start or go to war again.

Does that mean we keep getting our soldiers and civilians killed again and again over time. Answer is No. Already Govt decalred any act of terror with be act of war and this is not a small thing. Common People won't be able to understand dynamics of running a country and trsut me they never will. Waginf a war has a long term effect and future generations pay for it always like Pakis did 4 wars and look what their people and generations going through. They won nothing out of it.


Turn of events were:

Pakistani trained terrorist and hate filled locals attacked out innocent citizen. We were to avenge it not by killing Pakistanis or their Army but those who did it. We killed some of them and also punished those who helped them i.e Pakistani Army.

Govt has no significance in Pakistan.

Afghanistan was anti-India in past and today we are even talking and trading with them under Taliban. Same way we will have to use Pakistan for out benefits rather than always fighting with them. Even after this war, doors are always open.

A war seems good only till it doesn't hit you. Are people ready to pay for the war from their own pockets by buying stuff at double rates.

For peace to prevail you have to sometimes let go your ego and even if someone calls you coward for your decision, you consume it with proud because same people will bash you in future for waging war without taking their permission as common people are never ready to pay the cost of war.

P.S: Nobody is a winner in war but still it has to be done for temporary solutions.

Permanent solutions never comes out of war.

Krishna and Arjun collapsed Kauravas completely to give a message that when it comes to dignity of women being played with, you will be finished off. But did that stopped at all. Even today Kaurvas are living inside many of people who doesn't care about their fate.

If Krishna has got success, no women should be getting teased by now. But that also never happened.

Did killing of Ravan by Ram stopped Ravan like thinking being killed. No but still time to time it will come again and it is necessary to nip the evil in the bud. This will always keep running. The war of good and bad.

So no matter how much you do or look for a result from war, it will be achieved temporarily and no permanent soultion will ever be there.

 

[RadTheCrab]

Is there any option to suspend/replace our current top leadership at least till we destroy the terroristan. Why the hell Trump allowed to interfere in a bilateral issue that we were talking about since decades?

They are 70+. Age matters in posturing and decision making in, on, and about the battlefield. At that age people tend to be defencive. Why the hell we are switching our electricity off. Stupid cowards. Terrorist state ka itna himmat. Bring someone stronger for media briefing who don't require to read scripts.

In the history of civilization is there any record of a leader won a war at that age? Why don't these guys resign on their own. They got old (buddha). Sorry, but, it's a truth, accept it. In any job in India they would have been retired or thrown out. Handling war is one of the toughest job.

Handover the PM post to any strong army officer below age of 45 for 30 days. Pak won't exist in the world map.

International politics doesn’t work that way. If you think removing the leadership and giving the army a free hand to destroy terrorists is the solution, then you’re far from reality.

People tend to be defensive after 70? Can’t say that for sure, most of us haven’t reached that age yet, right? MAYBE at that age, experience makes people realize there are better ways to handle things. Going all out emotionally, getting provoked by intentional provocation, or attacking another country outright isn’t exactly the best idea when you’re trying to grow your economy and maintain global standing.

Turning off electricity is cowardice? I thought it was a safety measure to protect civilians living near the border. It’s easy to call it cowardly when you’re sitting far away, but not so easy if your entire family is living right next to the conflict zone.

Saying "Pak won’t exist on the world map" is easier said than done. Forget Pakistan — it would be challenging to erase even a small country like Nepal off the map. That’s not how modern geopolitics works.

As civilians, it’s natural to get emotional seeing the damage inflicted on our nation, that’s understandable. But that doesn’t mean we should abandon clear thinking. Every step we take has serious consequences for India’s reputation in the international community. Being cautious isn’t weakness, it’s wisdom.

Also, war doesn’t discriminate, it won’t just kill terrorists and enemy soldiers, it will also cost us lives and resources. The real objective should be to hurt the enemy more while minimizing our own losses. And that requires calculated steps, not impulsive calls for war.

P.S. This doesn’t mean I agree with everything the government is doing, but this is not the time to react emotionally.

 

[Pravas]

You guys are making it so complicated. I am giving my take with a single line answer why pakistan will continue to receive funding

So here it goes

"Pakistan is the only islamic country with neuclear capability, is considered the sword arm of entire ISLAMIC population and the Arab oil money will be kept on pouring directly or indirectly".

 

[Indian]

What WOKE? This is common news that a 5 year old Indian knows.

Indian media is very much controlled by ruling party.

What WOKE?
Really 5 year old child knows ? This is woke , known nothing or known very little but comments like expert

Indian media is very much controlled by ruling party.
All indian media ? none of the citizen bother about media ownership, because social media is strong enough to expose any issues

Let's come to the point ! The above comment I written that member violated the forum dignity and hate speech against Honourable PM of india, According to BNS 356 this member is liable a criminal action procedure, that comment I'm pointed to @TechnoFino team act accordingly to save this forum from legal troubles due to immature and wokes reactions.

Note : Most probably I will not reply to immature and wokes , how ever I replied not to you for this forum want to give clear MESSAGE to any of member make hate speech the suitable legal action will bring by me under IT act and BNS.

Make this forum fruitfully ! Stay Calm and comment sensibly

 

[Adith]

What WOKE?
Really 5 year old child knows ? This is woke , known nothing or known very little but comments like expert

Indian media is very much controlled by ruling party.
All indian media ? none of the citizen bother about media ownership, because social media is strong enough to expose any issues

Let's come to the point ! The above comment I written that member violated the forum dignity and hate speech against Honourable PM of india, According to BNS 356 this member is liable a criminal action procedure, that comment I'm pointed to @TechnoFino team act accordingly to save this forum from legal troubles due to immature and wokes reactions.

Note : Most probably I will not reply to immature and wokes , how ever I replied not to you for this forum want to give clear MESSAGE to any of member make hate speech the suitable legal action will bring by me under IT act and BNS.

Make this forum fruitfully ! Stay Calm and comment sensibly

Everyone is having a sensible discussion, giving each other's viewpoints and using articles or videos to share points across. You are the one who is trying to make it political with the chest thumping and politically heated term i.e woke culture.

Last I checked , we live in a democracy. Once elected , no leader becomes a king or god that they cannot be criticised. If as a citizen, one cannot criticise his/her leader ,then we stop being a democracy.

Respect should be earned , not demanded. When you say someone's voice should be silenced cause according to you he/she cannot voice their opinions in the name of " disrespecting the office " , you are essentially silencing that person for your own political gain.

This discussion has been fruitful all day long except you trying to make it political. If you can't discuss without getting butthurt or without providing anything meaningful, please just stay away. Do not make it worse .


Seriously, criticizing someone with legal action for voicing their viewpoint. The arrogance.

 

[Dragon_slayer]

I somehow skipped your question yesterday:

📊 Comparative Overview

Category​	United States​	India​
Total Government Debt	$36.56 trillion	$2.14 trillion (Central Govt)
Debt-to-GDP Ratio	99% (2024), projected 116% (2034)	58.3% (as of Sep 2024)
External Debt	$8.2 trillion	$711.8 billion
Bond Market Size	$29 trillion	$2.69 trillion
Key Domestic Holders	Federal Reserve, Mutual Funds, Banks	Government Securities, Small Savings
Key Foreign Holders	Japan, China, UK	Multilateral Institutions, NRIs

🧭 Insights

• Scale and Structure: The U.S. debt is significantly larger in absolute terms, with a well-developed bond market attracting global investors. India’s debt, while smaller, has been growing steadily, with a substantial portion held domestically
• Debt Sustainability: India’s debt-to-GDP ratio is lower than that of the U.S., indicating a relatively more sustainable debt position. However, both countries face challenges related to fiscal deficits and the need for prudent debt management
• Investor Confidence: Strong demand in U.S. Treasury auctions suggests continued investor confidence, despite concerns over debt ceiling debates. India’s bond market is also attracting interest, supported by the Reserve Bank of India’s measures to maintain liquidity

And somehow you missed asking chatgpt about Per capita income ? Or you didnt liked the answer it gave you ?

While you are there, make sure to ask the poverty rate in India, and how many Indians are leaving the country each year

 

[magnusfan]

And somehow you missed asking chatgpt about Per capita income ? Or you didnt liked the answer it gave you ?

While you are there, make sure to ask the poverty rate in India, and how many Indians are leaving the country each year

Thanks for letting me know what to do - now tell me what are your thoughts!

 

[msankadi]

This is just 0.5% of the level of incompetence, stupidity and lies you can expect from pak. And imagine some people here are willing to trust everything coming from pak army just to further their anti modi agenda

 

[sunit123]

Bhai log toh sahi mein Bewakoof hain ...2014 mein anti manmohan agenda chala rakha thaa

 

[mayankcse10]

bhai hamari media bhi video game ke footage dikha rahi thi...lagta hain

There's a huge difference between some idiot media channel using the footage vs the official Army handle using it.

 

[Quantum]

Request to all:
There are very few things that would help us stick to the topic, but there are various things that would make us deviate.
Media sources (maximum of them), left wing, right wing, or any wing, our own individual political affinity and inclination are some of those things that would make us deviate from the topic.

IMHO, we have one of the worst journalism in this world. They show everything but the complete truth.
And as you all are already aware, this is a matter of sovereignty, security and safety of our nation, citizens, and land. And it is above any wing, political affinity, inclination, and ideology.

If we start providing references to such (absurd) media sources and political statements, then soon this thread will become 50+ pages of nothing but ranting.

We could always voice our opinion without being disrespectful to anyone else, whether it is a fellow TFian or any other political person.
All of us have the right to exercise freedom of speech while being respectful.

The first step in trying to change something is to provide constructive criticism.
And the first step in trying to change is to accept constructive criticism.

In this thread or any other thread, let's share our own perspective about this issue. Let's share our own understanding of the problem, and if we have a solution then share that too.
And if a fellow TFian provides a new perspective that is constructive and feasible and it is for the greater good, then let's learn, accept, and appreciate that.

Thanks.

 

[Maven]

Yaar come on lol. Worst journalism in the world?
Like BBC, NYT, Aljazeera, Wire, Print etc etc etc bura maan jayenge. Militants not terrorists(BBC NYT), no ceasefire violation (Hindu), jf17 and hq9 blocked India's attack (global times) and many such propagandist BS is what's called bad and manipulative journalism.
yeh sab chodo we belong to a generation which gets news from Insta and Linkedin with an attention span of 15 sec obviously these journalists are gonna manipulate us all.

Yes yeh aaj tak and republic went crazy on the 1st night hahaha but they were not lying about the blackouts, cross border firings, drones, their own people were there. Sure karachi got destroyed( and frankly that felt good) and some other stupid stuff made its way but that's still nothing compared to the global lies being spread even now by the so called institutions the khan market liberals worship for information.

Personally I enjoyed aaj tak and india tv and validated the reality against firstpost (palki) and wion.